2007-Apr-02

ISLAM

Succinctly...



".......And that is the crux of it. "Islam is not a religion as we in the United States usually define it, because Islam does not consider religion to be a private matter."

    Instead, Islam claims the power of law – a very public matter. Furthermore, its laws grant legal and economic rights according to each person’s religion, and it gives Muslims political power over non-Muslims. It also gives Muslims a moral imperative to conquer all of the world’s non-Muslims and establish Islamic governance over them. Thus Islam can be better understood as a political ideology than as a religion.

    Islam feels respected only when all other powers, be they religious or political, submit to it. Islam also declares that its adherents can justly exert lethal force when they believe Islam has been insulted by a lack of proper respect for its superiority.

    Nowadays, when I hear someone say that Islam is a religion of peace, it reminds me of a line from Tim Burton’s disturbing comedy, Mars Attacks:"

“We have come in peace, please surrender the planet immediately!”
by Dave Bailey,
an author at, http://www.news.faithfreedom.org

the quoted text above, was found here...
http://www.allthingsbeautiful.com/all_things_beautiful/2006/12/a_world_apart.html
the originating source for this article...
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&sid=820&file=article&pageid=3


I recommend the series of articles by Dave Bailey, where he logically, and clearly, explores the meaning of what ISLAM is...
the Introduction is here...   http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=756




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It is Jihad folks, until the end.

Thursday 13th September, 2007
Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 : A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is now an adviser to several global financial institutions and a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken, he revealed a detailed knowledge of world events and his words, for the most part, were balanced and considered.
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.
He believes Islamic modernists have been bewitched by Western culture and ideology.
"The question is whether aggressive battle is by itself commendable or not. If it is, why should the Muslims stop simply because territorial expansion in these days is regarded as bad? And if it is not commendable, but deplorable, why did Islam not stop it in the past?"
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=280465

Note in the article above.... "He believes Islamic modernists have been bewitched by Western culture and ideology."
This refers to muslim apostates living...   Jahiliyyah 1Jahiliyya 2

the same story as above, a different source...
September 8, 2007
Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad’
One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.
.....His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking.
....These words are not the product of a radical extremist. They come from the pen of one of the most acclaimed scholars in the Deobandi tradition.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece


selected online comment, on the timesonline article page....

Once and for all, why don't people see Islam for what it is and always has been, read the Koran, its all there, its simple, be passive if the Kuffer is strong, then as your power base grows, take over and destroy the non belivers, all the people in this country that don't live near places like Blackburn like i do haven't a clue what is going on, and yes, after working here for the last 26 years i too am moving out of the area for this reason. Why? because everybody else i know already has left.
Look at history, this all thing as just one outcome...
SF, Clitheroe, lancs

This man's remarks have resonance and support from Moslems because he is saying what the Koran and the ahadith say: the Koran tells Moslems that, when they are few in number among the 'kuffr' (infidels) they must be quiet and not attract attention, but grow in numbers and strength and be prepared to eventually wage war, either with violence or by supporting warriors with monetary funds, supporting the fighters' families and by 'taqiyya' and da'wa (lies, obfuscations and, sometimes, silences, towards the kuffr in order to deflect attention from the moslem community's aims) and that moslems should also sow dissension amongst the kuffr and appear to befriend them (a form of dawa through 'inter-faith dialogues which are really designed to seek the kuffr's accommodation and acquiescence to moslem demands in the kuffr's society). Is this all sounding familiar?

Babbling Brook, london,

There is further comment on this timesonline news report here,
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018083.php

See also, a comment on a Jihad Watch post....
The Patience of a Slow Jihadist, Fathullah Gulen
The essence of Fathullah Gulen's message is patience and cunning....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019405.php#c490932

and...
Islam - House Of War
i.e. 'We muslims are not strong enough to subdue or kill you [yet], so let us have 'peace' [until we muslims are strong enough to resume our warfare against you]!'

and...
December 31, 2007
Pakistani cleric: “We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019399.php
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article634210.ece
comments...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/mysun/comment/view.page?storyId=634210&submissionId=186238


See!
There is no need for conflict.
Peaceful muslims just want us to surrender peacefully, to submit ourselves to an ISLAMIC, Sharia, jurisdiction [ 1, 2 ].
sarc off/

Yep, the pronouncements of this Pakistani cleric, Qari Hifzur Rehamn, sound pretty consistent with [all devout muslim doctrine, toward the Kuffar, and muslim Jihad],
and is confirmed by the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh...

"...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam."
Creed of the sword




February 11, 2008
Turkish PM to Muslims in Germany: "Assimilation is a crime against humanity"
.....Cologne, Germany -- A crowd of 16,000 expatriate Turks cheered Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a vast indoor auditorium in Germany on Sunday as he told them to resist assimilation into the West.
...."Assimilation is a crime against humanity," he told the crowd. Many Turks had travelled from France, Belgium and the Netherlands to hear his hour-long address in the shiny venue, the Koelnarena.
"I can well understand that you are against assimilation," he said. "It is important to learn German, but your Turkish language should not be neglected."
He said ethnic Turks abroad should be more confident in standing up for their interests, and should win election as mayors and members of European national parliaments....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019903.php

In effect endorsing ISLAMIC 'principles' [of, 'They must always accept us, we must never accept them.']....

"WE BRING OUR LAWS, WE BRING OUR CULTURE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO ASSIMILATE WITH YOU.
.....AND, WE WANT OUR CULTURE, TO BE ACCEPTED EVERYWHERE."


A UK ex-muslim, who converted to Christianity declares, describes, muslims thus....

“They [muslims] are such hypocrites — they want us to be tolerant of everything they want,
but they are intolerant of everything about us.”
in,    'Muslim apostates cast out...'






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Do devout muslims have respect for their Christian neighbours [as muslims are want to unceasingly assert] ?

Muslims  say  that they do.

Always [  .....muslims will say this].


You will often hear muslims making claims, such as these....

"Tasleem Hafeez: According to our religion, Christians are also our brothers and sisters. They can worship here [Pakistan] freely and the government supports them."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7148656.stm

Evidence [for muslim claims]....
Muslims always say 'nice' things [usually about themselves],    say-respect1, say-respect2.



I claim that devout muslims show  no  respect for their Christian neighbours [in spite of all their  insistent  words].
I claim that devout muslim [words of] 'respect' for Christians is a total sham.

Good advice to all, when you notice words coming out of the mouth of any devout muslim...
"...the more I read the words of any speech given by a Muslim...I find myself doing more and more micro managing and spending more and more time looking for the DAWA or TAQQIYYA.....as you study the tactics of the Islamists you begin to easily be able to decipher the "Islamo cryptics" whenever a Muslim speaks...."
'exsgtbrown'
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019659.php#c500044

i.e. When a devout muslim speaks to a non-muslim audience, look for 'weasel words',         ....words that are intended to deceive, while portraying sincerity.  [example1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_words

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawah - the 'invitation' to come to ISLAM, or, promoting ISLAM to non-muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya - the ISLAMIC doctrine [obligation!] of 'sanctified' lying to non-muslims, to 'protect oneself'.
Read; lying to promote ISLAM, and to undermine the culture of the naive Kuffar.


It is 'easy' for muslims to  claim  that ISLAM/muslims are tolerant of NON-muslims, when muslims are living as a minority among NON-muslims.

The real test of muslim sincerity, is to look at how muslims treat NON-muslims, when NON-muslims live as a minority in Sharia jurisdictions.



Evidence....
No-respect1, no-respect2, no-respect3, no-respect4, no-respect5, no-respect6, no-respect7, no-respect8, no-respect9, no-respect10, no-respect11, no-respect12, no-respect13,
and many, many, more.



"The best index to a person's character is
(a) how he treats people who can't do him any good,
and (b) how he treats people who can't fight back."

Abigail Van Buren




"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/001.qmt.html#001.001


American Nick Berg [with no idea of what is coming next],
with his arms bound, moments before his beheading by Allah's 'finest'.
Another act of 'muslim charity', to 'honour' Allah.

Note the Burkas, worn by the 'heroes' of ISLAM.





"Nearly all men can stand adversity,
but if you want to test a man's character,
give him power."

Abraham Lincoln





"A nation's greatness is measured
by how it treats its weakest members."

Mahatma Ghandi






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The 'guilty' people,      ....[ meaning all 'unbelievers', according to ISLAM ].

The evidence is, that when speaking candidly  
among themselves,   muslims speak of Christians disparagingly, disrespectfully...

The TRUTH is that to every devout muslim, Christians
[and all unbelievers] are a 'guilty'1, 'guilty'2, people.



Non-muslims need to learn, and to understand,
what the  'guilty'  designation attributed to non-muslims,
within a
Sharia jurisdiction  -  means.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%27guilty%27+non-muslims+Sharia&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

'There Can Be No End to Jihad' - within Sharia jurisdictions, all non-muslims are 'guilty'



The 'guilty' - unbelievers.

           ....A people "guilty of not believing in God
[Allah]."    Anjem Choudary talks of the London, 7/7 victims.


Within Sharia jurisdictions, the blood of 'guilty' people [
all unbelievers, and all 'un-ISLAMIC' persons], can be legally shed.
[ Hence, to devout muslims, 9/11, Madrid, 7/7, are all OK. cited1, cited2 ,
i.e. Any unbeliever can be 'killed', without legal fault being attributed to any muslim.
A muslim cleric opinion is cited. And the death of the 'immoral' are 'sanctified', prescribed, examples cited1, cited2, cited3 ]

According to ISLAM, Christians are unbelievers, and are a 'guilty' people.

According to ISLAM, unbelievers are 'corrupted' people, and are a corrupting influence,       ....they are 'filth'. [cited]

This [above] is what devout muslims actually say about non-muslims.


The Koran instructs muslims, do not trust non-muslims, as their only motive is to corrupt, and ruin muslims.  [comment... this is inciting hatred towards non-muslims]
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.118

The Koran commands that, muslims must "......take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other."
And
the Koran instructs muslims that Jews and Christians are ".....a people unjust."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051


What i assert here, are not 'made up' lies.

This is not 'hate speech'.

TRUTH is not 'hate'.

What is true,     ...is true.


These assertions i make are verifiable - verifiable from muslim sources [Koran & Hadith], from news reports, from muslim historical texts, from muslim cleric doctrinal determinations.





I claim that all devout muslims, view Christians [and all 'unbelievers'] who resist ISLAM's influence, as the enemies of muslims.

I claim that all devout muslims consider themselves to be 'superior' [Koranic confirmation], and consider themselves to be at war with the 'guilty' unbelievers, in a war against the politics, and the culture, of the 'guilty' unbelievers.

I claim that
all devout muslims believe that in this war [with the enemies of Allah], the muslim course-of-action should be to deceive non-muslims, and to tell non-muslims,

'We love you! You are our Christian brothers and sisters. Honest!'


But, muslims will only be our 'friends', up until the time that muslim communities become strong enough to assert themselves [and then, they will reveal their true agenda].
And they will then try to overwhelm their
'guilty' enemies, and destroy their 'guilty' communities, and their 'guilty' culture.

This is already happening [2007, Dec] in some areas of Europe,     ....examples, Belgium, Holland, France, Sweden.
[it is only the start of many more 'troubles']

If we allow muslims to prevail, they will then replace non-muslim, 'guilty' societies, with Sharia jurisdictions.
And we will all 'enjoy' the 'Peace of ISLAM'.


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And I claim that all devout muslims view Christians [especially Christian women] and Christian property merely as potential war booty, to be 'taken' at will.

And as far as
war booty for devout muslims is 'concerned', it seems to be a case of, 'First in, best dressed.'

Evidence....
War-booty1, War-booty2, War-booty3, War-booty4, War-booty5, War-booty6, War-booty7, War-booty8, War-booty9, and many more.




All this 'war booty' supposes a Koran & Hadith based doctrine, to reward the Jihadists for their 'good works'...

The enemies of muslims, are unbelievers, Jews, Christians...

"Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.101

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them.
" [i.e. if you take a Jew or Christian as a friend, you are not a muslim.]
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051


And Allah has an 'immense reward' for muslims who undertake Jihad,      .....oh yes, War booty,

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029


Muslims the world over are,   "....bowing and falling prostrate   ....seeking bounty from Allah     ....and immense reward."


"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger [today, 1/5 to muslim clerics], and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer......."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.041


"......Sad said, "Kill their (men) warriors and take their offspring as captives, "On that the Prophet said, "You have judged according to Allah's Judgment,""
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.447

another, fuller Koran translation of this same last verse reads....

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 447:
Sad said, "Kill their men and take their women and children as captives,"
On that the Prophet said, "You have judged according to Allah's Judgment,"
(the Prophet took Rehana as his share of the booty).

In this verse, this person Rehana is a Jewess [whose husband is among those who surrendered, and were killed].
Muhammad 'took' Rehana as his property, as his part of the war booty.
The Jewish tribe of Banu Qureza surrendered, and as an exercise of ISLAMIC mercy, Muhammad put 800 men to death.


Now, what is that famous quote from the Koran, which muslims often, and so loudly proclaim???

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/001.qmt.html#001.001


After their men were systematically slaughtered, the women of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qureza were divided as booty, and raped.
[This account is not a fiction, it is ISLAMIC history. Muslims are proud of these recorded acts of plunder.]

And of course, Muhammad 'got his', 1/5 of the spoils.

"He that serves God for money
will serve the devil for better wages."

Sir Roger L’Estrange (1616-1704)


http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=the+Prophet+took+Rehana+as+his+share+of+the+booty&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=the+Prophet+took+as+his+share+of+the+booty+rehana+OR+rihana+OR+Rayhana&btnG=Search&meta=

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza


While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/053.sbt.html#004.053.392

Quote from this last Hadith, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe....", and the contrariwise implication.


The chief pirate said, ".....you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

The implication, which has been espoused by many muslim clerics in the UK, is that, Allah commands all muslims...

'Everything Those Infidels Have Everywhere In the World Already Belongs to the Muslims, Take It'

'Its yours! Take it!'    ....This is incitement to 'holy' piracy, 'holy' thievery, 'holy' brigandry!

And these actions today are being 'sanctified' in ISLAM, and encouraged by muslim clerics in the UK,    ...so long as the victims of these crimes are 'un-believers'.

To me this is sort of incitement is reminiscent of what the serpent said to Eve, in the Garden of Eden. Yes?
'You are as Gods, take it!'

And please remember, all muslims are more than willing to use violence, to get to [the ISLAMIC] 'paradise'.
......and to get the war booty!



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All of this ISLAMIC 'doctrine' of 'religious' hate towards 'unbelievers', has its source in the Koran & Hadith.

What i wish to ask the leaders in our Western communities is; Why isn't the Koran & Hadith banned in the West, as being clear sources of incitement, of culture related hatred? [one very clear example , more here ]

And why are mosques,
not closed and banned in the West, and recognised as places where *politicalhatred  is inculcated, organised, and disseminated,     ....among a people who have themselves declared, that they do not wish to integrate into the wider non-muslim community?

I am happy for people who [lawfully] come from muslim nations, to come to live in Western nations,  if they are willing, and happy, to live here, to work here, and are willing to accept and respect our un-ISLAMIC laws, and our un-ISLAMIC culture.

But if people [even locally born people] cannot accept our
un-ISLAMIC laws, and our un-ISLAMIC culture, and have no intention, of accepting our un-ISLAMIC laws, and an un-ISLAMIC culture,         .....then logically, wouldn't many of these people be happier to move to, and to live in a country which more closely reflected the  *politics*  of their own 'world view'?
[That is, instead of following their current determination [within non-muslim nations], of fostering national sedition, with an intent to   *politically*   impose an 'alien' culture among, and upon, non-muslim people.]

After all, isn't this same respect [of their own ISLAMIC 'culture'] insisted upon, when we [
non-muslims] travel to 'ISLAMIC' nations?

Repeating [a quote, from higher on this page], a UK ex-muslim, who converted to Christianity declares, describes, muslims thus....

“They [muslims] are such hypocrites — they want us to be tolerant of everything they want,
but they are intolerant of everything about us.”
in,    'Muslim apostates cast out...'



Further....
Wake up people!   ....ISLAM is not a 'religion'.

ISLAM is not a 'religion'
, in the sense that non-muslims understand the word, 'religion'.
.....ISLAM is a cult of  *political*  tyranny, masquerading as a religion.

ISLAM behaves everywhere, not so much as a 'religion', as much as a fractured 'Mafia gang' bent on gaining exclusive influence over all of the 'local turf'. an example on this page.



In this topsy-turvy world today....

Strangely, what  is  being labelled as 'hate' by many today, is exposing the TRUTH, about ISLAM.

Why is  that  'hate'?

And why is  TRUTH  [accurate information] now being called 'hate'?







A little more on war booty...

December 21, 2007
"Allah willing, we will reach America....The eyes of the nation of Muhammad are set on Washington, London, Moscow, Paris, Delhi, Beijing, and other countries"
.......The money in the infidel banks is the daily bread of the mujahideen. The convoys come from Pakistan, through Torkhan or Karachi, are the daily bread of the mujahideen. The money in the banks in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and elsewhere is the daily bread of the mujahideen. The governments that use this money against the Muslims and Islam acquire bombs and airplanes with it, in order to bomb the Muslims. Therefore, this money is the [legitimate] booty of the Muslims.
I always tell the mujahideen that if they want to get money, they should beat the infidels and take their money. You must hit them on the head and take their money. You should rob their banks and take the money. You should take their people prisoner, just like the Prophet did. Don't think this is a sin, because the Prophet Muhammad himself exchanged prisoners for ransom. There's nothing wrong with collecting money in exchange for prisoners.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019268.php

comment at,

Does this remind anyone of the Borg?
Fire photon torpedos! Modulate your shield frequencies! All hands to battle stations!

Posted by: tanstaafl at December 21, 2007 10:22 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019268.php#c487516

and some 'on topic' 'Borg' humour...

TO: Witless Infidels
FROM: The UMMA Collective
SUBJECT: Islam Must Dominate

WE ARE UMMA.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

YOU WILL BE ISLAMICIZED.

Inshallah.

LAUGHTER IS IRRELEVANT.

THERE IS NO HUMOR IN ISLAM.

YOU WILL BE ISLAMICIZED.

Allahu Akhbar.

Posted by: John C at December 21, 2007 10:29 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019268.php#c487525



And...

December 21, 2007
Iranian official: "In a dozen years, Europe will be an Islamic continent"
....."The Islamisation of the European continent is imminent and this step favours the arrival of the Mahdi," he said, referring to the 12th imam of Shiite Islam.
Shiites believe that the Imam Mahdi, who disppeared as an adolescent, will return to bring an end to chaos and bring universal justice.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019270.php


If you want to see Europe's future?
Then look at Lebanon, today, 2007.


and....
December 27, 2007
Sweden population boom!
As immigrants pour in, native Swedes pour out. How long before Sweden becomes a Sharia state?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019338.php

Sweden....
This young woman was raped - Did she 'deserve' it?

" 'Rape, murder, violence'....this is not typical muslim behaviour." - Exploring the phenomenon of NON-muslim apologists for the 'nice', 'typical', muslims among us.














see also...
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"Islam is peace"

i.e. A 'peaceful' world is  assured  by ISLAM.

...because the
peace model 'embraced' by muslims is, silence [kill] everyone who opposes local ISLAMIC authority, '....It is the will of Allah!'

The 'muslim logic' is mind numbingly simple...

No one who is dead, has ever argued convincingly against ISLAM.

"See!......Within all Sharia jurisdictions.....ISLAM  is  'peace' !"

Yes, and principally, because quickly, any 'body' of dissenters are 'liquidated'.
And among the remaining 'sheeple' nobody
dares to
argue with the  thugs  in charge!





Example, a peace loving muslim philosopher who promotes co-existence with non-muslims, is declared, "Apostate of Damascus", and threatened with death.

July 27, 2007
Syrian philosopher: Islam must jettison dhimmi laws
Sadik Al-Azm, the "Apostate of Damascus," says that Islam can be made compatible with democracy if it "jettisons certain laws" -- particularly the dhimmi laws, which institutionalize discrimination against non-Muslims, and which most Western Muslims deny even exist.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017548.php

Do you believe that ISLAM may jettison its dhimmi laws?
Don't hold your breath!

someone posted this online comment....
"Could this be the voice of a moderate Muslim?"
Yes! Sadik Al-Azm is a true Muslim reformer. Therefore he has been condemned by the Sunni leaders as an apostate. In an ideal world, a person like Al-Azm would be respected and possibly elected president of Syria instead of facing death threats.
Posted by: Provoslavni [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2007 5:19 PM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017548.php#c428411


"ISLAM is peace!"
and in this next news report, another example of the way devout muslims [globally!] are working to achieve the 'peace' of ISLAM!....

October 1, 2007
Imam shot dead the day after he spoke out against Islamic jihadists
.....Wonder why more peaceful Muslims don't speak out against the jihad?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018328.php
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iufo5EIuTf16OBMhY7j5pfzWQ3vg

"....Wonder why more peaceful Muslims don't speak out against the jihad?"

Answer;
Pretend muslims [who come to live in the West], pretend on the one hand that they are good muslims [to 'keep in' with their community / family], and at the same time they  pretend  to their Kuffar friends that they love liberty!
.......pretend muslims pretend that they love liberty [in much the very same way that the Jihadists among them do too],    ....to remain 'invisible'.

Why would a  pretend  muslim work [fight] for justice, when clearly their heart has no courage.

To all ex-muslims, who do confront the ISLAMIST's, i thank you for your courage,     ....to believe in something!
You are worthy.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/



ISLAM does not, has never,
sponsored true peace [justice!] in any society
.

But rather the structure and protocols of ISLAM are
an 'enabler' of its own specific form of terror and thuggery in a society.

And once it is established, ISLAM is able to enforce, with little effort, a 'silence',
effectively 'cloaking' its corruption, criminal excesses, and repression.

And that political 'form' we usually call,    ...fascism!
see... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_fascism#Doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini


"ISLAM is peace!"...

January 7, 2008
Eight peace-seeking tribal elders shot dead by jihadists in Pakistan
....Eight tribal leaders attempting to broker a ceasefire in Pakistan's dangerous north-west province have been shot dead by suspected Islamic militants in eight separate killings.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019482.php


May 14, 2008
Afghan teacher shot dead after speech condemning suicide bombings
Why Islamic reform is about as likely as an attack by men from Mars, part 65320: "Afghan teacher killed after speech condemning suicide bombings," from The Associated Press, May 14 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
.....KABUL, Afghanistan: A teacher was shot to death in northern Afghanistan after he gave a speech condemning suicide bombings, officials said Wednesday.
.....Hadi spoke at a gathering of about 700 people, including the Kunduz governor, and was on his way home when he was killed,
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021017.php
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/14/asia/AS-GEN-Afghan-Teacher-Killed.php


Again, these last several news items [immediately above], demonstrate the absence of free and safe 'political debate', in any society where ISLAM and its influence predominates.
Clearly, ISLAMIC
communities are places where free 'political debate' invariably 'provokes' the anger, rage, and violence, of devout muslims.
A violence, and rage, which
is often 'protected', and often unimpeded, by those who hold political power.

See also....

What Islam Isn't - exposing the truth, about the violent spread of political ISLAM, in both non-muslim communities, and muslim communities, around the world.











[link]
ISLAM means 'submission', but these Shia muslims say 'No thanks!' to Allah's  other  proxies!

Why?

Shouldn't these 'muslims' just submit ???

Here is, another example, of how terror is used by muslim thugs to achieve censorship [against self expression, and against political expression].
And the prevailing violence, as always, is sponsored by persons claiming to represent ISLAMIC 'ideals'...

October 17, 2007
Shi'ite tribal leaders in Iraq warn jihadists on the rise
Shi'ite Islamist political parties are imposing strict Islamic rules in the oil-producing southern provinces of Iraq and using their armed wings to create a state of fear, a group of tribal Shi'ite leaders said.
The four tribal leaders approached on condition of anonymity, fearing assassination if their names or even their home provinces were made public.
"Fear rules the streets now," said one of the sheikhs.
"We cannot speak our minds, people are not allowed to oppose them. They would immediately disappear or get killed. The evidence of that is I am talking about it but cannot use my name."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018488.php
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1406416

The irony in this story [above], is that here are one group of authoritarian muslim thugs carping of their dread and fear, of another more powerful group of authoritarian muslim thugs!


And some comment expressed here, at the Jihad Watch site...

"I wonder what the reaction would be from these freedom-loving sheikhs if their Shi'ite brothers torched a church or slaughtered a couple dozen Christians.
The Muslim ideal of freedom is the freedom to impose their will on others. It's nothing like our understanding of the word."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018488.php#c462920
and...
"....Did he ever hear those words from a non-Muslim? Does he not see that that is what Islam offers [everyone!]?"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018488.php#c462950








[link]
UK muslims were polled, after [52 people were slaughtered in] the London 7/7 bombings:

"...50 per cent.....considered themselves to be Muslim first, and British second.
....25 per cent thought suicide bombings were a legitimate form or political expression."
'political expression', example - on this page


Terrorism: European attacks 'inevitable' as al Qaeda influence spreads, say experts
Rome, 26 Oct. [2007]
....."The lessons are clear, this is not a problem confined to the United Kingdom or countries engaged in combat in Iraq, " Ayers told AKI.
"Iraq is a rallying cry but it is not the cause. This is a terrible clash of cultures that transcends boundaries."
.....Ayers said UK surveys of Muslims conducted after the London bombings showed 50 per cent of the population considered themselves to be Muslim first, and British second. He said 25 per cent thought suicide bombings were a legitimate form or political expression.
"This shows that they haven't been integrated and the sources of home grown terrorism are people who are economically better off. We in Europe are yet to come to grips with what we are dealing with - fanatical Islam is a theologically motivated movement."

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1478409734


Duh! Duh! Duh!












[link]
Assassination of Benazir Bhutto - exemplifying the relentless nature of this evil
[note the dates, on the stories below]

Here, is what passes for 'political debate' [with the 'guilty'
], in any society where devout muslims predominate...

First attempt - MISSED [yet a total of 130 people were killed in these blasts attempting to assassinate of Benazir Bhutto - the 'guilty' party].

Burning car after blast
"There was blood all around and it was chaos - we didn't know where to go, what to do."
Farzana Raja
PPP spokeswoman

18 October 2007
Bhutto convoy bombs kill dozens
At least 125 people have been killed including police and 100 wounded after two bombs hit crowds greeting returning Pakistani ex-PM Benazir Bhutto.
....Ms Bhutto, who was travelling from the city's airport to a rally marking her homecoming after eight years in self-imposed exile, was not hurt.
....Several Islamist groups, including pro-Taleban militants, had said they would attack Ms Bhutto on her return, after she promised to confront those operating in the northern tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7051804.stm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018498.php


GOTCHA!!!

    The Joy & 'Peace' that ISLAM brings
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44326000/jpg/_44326171_afp203indexfire.jpg

27 December 2007
Benazir Bhutto killed in attack
Pakistani former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto has been assassinated in a suicide attack.
Ms Bhutto - the first woman PM in an Islamic state - was leaving an election rally in Rawalpindi when a gunman shot her in the neck and set off a bomb.
At least 20 other people died in the attack and several more were injured.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm

See also....
BBC - Have Your Say     [select not, MOST RECENT     select, READERS RECOMMENDED !! ]
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=3985&edition=2&ttl=20071227224203&#paginator

Trying to make sense of this outrage? Here, a 'must read'....
December 27, 2007
Benazir Bhutto: Killed by the real Pakistan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019345.php


ISLAM = = terror.
....not peace!

Violence is a form of 'legitimate' political debate, in any society dominated by devout muslims.


Terror - is the objective!
Terror - is the 'method'!
'Submit to our philosophy, or die!'

Sharia only please - 'Democracy' is anathema to all devout muslims,
....as ISLAMIST bombings and violence [at every opportunity], against all symbols of Democracy, demonstrate.


Message from the Jihadists...
.....the rallying call in occupied Judea...."No democracy for the Middle East!"

February 15, 2008

Palestinian commander: Palestinians' war with the Jews is part of global jihad
He calls on Sunni Muslims to wage war against the unbelievers. Unbelievers. You mean, he thinks this struggle has something to do with religion?
'.....We reject tyrants... like those who adhere to democracy, socialism and secularism.'
- Al-Ghazzawi [Hamas/PA spokesman]
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019972.php#c510174



Message from the Jihadists...
.....the rallying call
in Pakistan...."No democracy for Pakistan!"

16 February 2008
Deadly blast at Pakistan meeting
A suicide bomber has killed 37 people after a meeting of supporters of murdered ex-PM Benazir Bhutto's party, Pakistan's interior ministry says.
The attack, on the last day of campaigning ahead of general elections on Monday, also wounded 90.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7248445.stm
http://news.theage.com.au/pakistan-suicide-blast-kills-27-interior-minister/20080216-1sl6.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019978.php


More on the Jihadists cry....
'The right to legislate belongs to God alone,...'
and...
Pakistani cleric: “We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world...." , the third item down, here


ISLAM is a death cult ISLAM is not so much a 'religion', as a fractured 'Mafia gang' bent on gaining exclusive influence over all of the 'local turf'.






"The most potent weapon of the oppressor
is the mind of the oppressed."

Steven Biko





[link]
Muslims in Amsterdam are rioting, against religious 'oppression'.
The 'guilty' Kuffar are not allowing muslims their freedom of religion,
....the muslim freedom of religion,        ....to kill 'guilty' Kuffar!

The Netherlands muslim intifada of October, 2007
"...a Muslim youth entered a police station and began stabbing two police officers.
One of them, after having been stabbed multiple times, shot him to death.
Rioting has followed."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018511.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018524.php
the dead youth, and his family, had a 'history' of ISLAMIC militancy, see details given at kleinverzet.blogspot.com link,
http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2007/10/suicide-attack-in-amsterdam.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7054903.stm
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Violence-flares-again-in-Amsterdam/2007/10/21/1192301122132.html

A pertinent comment / observation by a reader on the, "Immigrant youths" rioting in Amsterdam JihadWatch page,
about the 'peace' of ISLAM [that spreads, to everywhere that muslims go]...

October 19, 2007
"Immigrant youths" rioting in Amsterdam
....Strange how this is happening in all the countries that they [muslims] adopt.. and yet no one wakes up, everyone still gives into them. As Mohammad said, "A terrorized people are easier to conquer," On no, Mohammad wouldn't say that he is a man of peace isn't he??? Like!!!!!
NO NO Mohammad wouldn't say to slaughter all non Muslims when the time is right in all the world would he, it is a religion of peace????
Thanks for a glimpse into our future Robert.
Mind you all anyone has to do is read the last three quarters of the Quran and others of their holy books to see our future, convert or die... read it for yourself people, and see that Robert knows what he is talking about...
Posted by: Gaye at October 20, 2007 3:53 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018511.php#c463858

online Koran...
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

And here, an example of some Koran verses, inciting muslims to, 'hate and fight those filthy non-muslims, who reject Allah'.
Verses with Koran links


And more pertinent comment, on the Dutch muslim intifada,

Islamic logic: "If you don't let us kill you, we'll burn your cars in protest!"
And yet it all makes perfect sense from their cultural perspective.
Posted by: special_guest at October 21, 2007 6:04 PM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018524.php#c464222






[link]
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.008 - 011

Muslim clerics transform verses such as these, into the justification, and an encouragement,
for violence and Jihad, by muslims against non-muslims,

'It is required for muslims to kill those who reject Allah, and resist ISLAM.
...This is Jihad.'

paraphrasing...
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.034 & 35

"
...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.260


Above, frustrated 'immigrant youth',
Netherlands, 2007, Oct.
He does not realise it, but isn't this 'immigrant youth' lucky that he is a muslim, 'dealing' here, with non-muslim 'oppression' !

Whereas, in Iran,
Sharia courts commonly execute those who publicly protest against Sharia law [injustice].
Protesting against Sharia law [injustice] - is colloquially called 'Insulting ISLAM' , and that commonly means death, for the 'guilty' people!
Also, in Iran Sharia courts execute
[duh, that means KILL] [on the 3rd conviction] those who [repeatedly] drink alcohol.
cited lower on page


A policewoman in the Netherlands
who was stabbed by a muslim man,
would not allow him to kill her!
[She shot him dead.]
So now fellow Jihadists [in outrage, at her self defence!]
are taking their frustrations out on local property holders.
This is TRUTH




In a different European country, but the same type of violent rage being displayed by  'immigrant youths'...

December 2, 2007
France stunned by rioters’ savagery
Matthew Campbell, Villiers-le-Bel
IN retrospect, it was not a good idea to have left his pistol at home. Called to the scene of a traffic accident in the Paris suburbs last Sunday, Jean-François Illy, a regional police chief, came face to face with a mob of immigrant youths armed with baseball bats, iron bars and shotguns.
What happened next has sickened the nation. As Illy tried to reassure the gang that there would be an investigation into the deaths of two teenagers whose motorbike had just collided with a police car, he heard a voice shouting: “Somebody must pay for this. Some pigs must die tonight!”
The 43-year-old commissaire realised it was time to leave, but that was not possible: they set his car ablaze. He stood as the mob closed in on him, parrying the first few baseball bat blows with his arms. An iron bar in the face knocked him down.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2983714.ece



Something said of the wicked, and their fate, by the Old Testament prophet
Isaiah....

Isaiah 26:
10
Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

11  LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

Hmmm....
"....the fire of thine enemies shall devour them."

Amen!








[link]
2008 - The emergence in the UK [also Europe, and USA???], of no-go areas for non-muslims


9th November 2007
Fire crews brand streets no-go zone
Fire chiefs are refusing to attend incidents in a part of Bradford without police back-up after five consecutive nights of attacks on firefighters.
A number of fires have been deliberately started to lure crews to the Amberley Street area, off Barkerend Road, where they have then been stoned by gangs of youths.
......"We have had several engines damaged after being hit with bricks in these incidents. This an area where we come and fit smoke alarms free of charge and give fire safety talks. We get on very well with the community but sadly these idiots seem intent on causing trouble."
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1820386.mostcommented.fire_crews_brand_streets_nogo_zone.php

Where are our leaders?
Our political, and government leaders, i mean.

We
often hear their 'words' of conciliation...
But where is their response to this anarchy, on UK streets?

These acts of violence, by muslim youths, are a 'set-up'.
The muslim community leaders [muslim clerics], are behind these acts.
They are planned and 'orchestrated' acts of cultural violence, with one aim...

see....

ISLAM's cultural attrition - against Western, non-muslim communities. This is how it works.




Terror [fear] leads to confusion [among non-muslims].
Confusion leads to indecision.
Indecision leads to weakness [wrong responses and appeasement].
Weakness leads to political defeat.






Is this next story [below], is this just a case of 'race' conflict, with 'whites' against 'Asian youths', and vise-versa?


"...'Asian youths' in parts of Oldham [in the UK] are trying to create no go areas for white people."

[In the 'main stream media' [MSM] the term  'Asian youths' , is a euphemism for 'violent young muslim men'.]


6 Jan 2008
Asian Vigilantes
by Barnie Choudhury    
An investigation for Today has found disturbing evidence that Asian youths in parts of Oldham are trying to create no go areas for white people.
Last year the police investigated record levels of racist attacks in Oldham.Of the 572 cases, 60% turned out to be white victims.
Pakistanis make up the majority on the Glodwick estate just west of the town centre. Some youths speak the language of racial hatred. It's not clear whether this is bravado but their message is blunt... white people keep out.
Many openly admit to carrying out what they see as revenge attacks on white people as part of a tit-for-tat campaign.
One told us: "There are signs all around saying whites enter at your risk. It's a matter of revenge. It's about giving as good as you can take."
Another had a six-inch scar running across his head. He said he had been attacked by a white gang.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/politics/oldham1.shtml

Are these ethnic tensions, just a [white] racist thing?
Are white racists 'victimising' young muslims, who are responding 'in kind' ?

See the next story....

Ethnic cleansing in Bradford?
Author: Rashmee Z Ahmed
Publication: The Times of India
Date: May 16, 2001
A controversial BBC report on Hindus being driven out of the northern English city of Bradford by young Muslims in an act the Vishwa Hindu Parishad provocatively describes as "ethnic cleansing", has evoked sharp reactions all around.
......There seems no middle ground as Hindus and Muslims trade charges. Bradford's Muslims deny they are chasing the Hindus away, while sections of the Hindu community acknowledge the exodus was originally a matter of choice.
"We are almost like white people," Jiniah Parthasarthy of the VHP told The Times of India. "We have small families, the woman works. But not Muslims. So, we are all leaving those crowded Asian ghettos. Over the years it was our own free will. Now, some Muslims are harassing us".
Parthasarthy, a former finance ministry employee in Delhi, has worked in Bradford for nearly 40 years. He believes the Hindus initially left the city to escape the dirt and over-crowding, but now they want to escape the "Talibanisation of Bradford, the Khalifa movement, more than 50 mosques, 100 madrassas".
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0501/66.html


See also this BBC story [lower on this page]...
6 January 2008
[UK] Bishop warns of 'Islamic areas'



Immigration, Assimilation, Liberal Democracy, and the War on Terror.
March 3, 2006
by John Fonte
......Let’s Examine the Issue of Extraterritoriality for Islamist Groups Within Democratic States
There exists today hundreds of areas within the geographical boundaries of liberal democratic nation states in which those democracies do not exercise control and in which the residents of those areas (overwhelming Muslim) are unable to exercise their democratic rights. These extraterritorial zones exist throughout Europe in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden, Great Britain. The French and Swedish Police call these areas “no-go zones.” Areas on the outskirts of large cities in Paris, Marsailles, Bordeaux, Malmo, Stockholm where the police do not go---where the police are afraid to go.
http://acc.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=3940&pubType=ACC_Speeches



November 24, 2006
The 751 No-Go Zones of France
How bad has it gotten in France? Daniel Pipes answers:
They go by the euphemistic term Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones
......What are they? Those places in France that the French state does not control. They range from two zones in the medieval town of Carcassone to twelve in the heavily Muslim town of Marseilles, with hardly a town in France lacking in its ZUS. The ZUS came into existence in late 1996 and according to a 2004 estimate, nearly 5 million people live in them.
Comment: A more precise name for these zones would be Dar al-Islam, the place where Muslims rule. (November 14, 2006
And where dhimmis [non-muslims] dare not venture.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014161.php


Search....
non-muslim no-go areas europe
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=non-muslim+no-go+areas+europe&go=Search&mkt=en-us&scope=&FORM=LIVSOP
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=non-muslim+no-go+areas+europe&btnG=Google+Search&meta=




[link]
Another example in the UK, of a 'cultural' lunacy in Europe, and....

ISLAM's cultural attrition taking hold in the West.

....Another  example of muslims insisting on a need for tolerance [from non-muslims],
but muslims effectively revealing an active intolerance [towards non-muslims, within their own, non-muslim communities].


April 17, 2008
Multiculturalism gone wild: UK father and son banned from public swimming pool for not being Muslims
.....'Muslim men-only swimming'.
"I asked whether my son and I could go as we were both male. I was told that the session was for Muslims only and that we could not be admitt