2007-May-18
ISLAM...Is ISLAM's agenda for the un-ISLAMIC world, here revealed !?
Will hated Israel be 'first', and then the same for the other, Western 'dominoes'?
Dictionary
definition:
domino
theory
n. the theory that a political event in one country will cause similar events in neighbouring countries, like a row of falling dominoes.
n. the theory that a political event in one country will cause similar events in neighbouring countries, like a row of falling dominoes.
I wonder if Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik
got a little carried away, 'in the moment', at this report of a Saudi Telethon to raise funds for
the struggling 'brothers' in occupied Palestine?
In any case, the event and his words were recorded for 'posterity'.
This is an old report [2002], but a 'goody'.
In any case, the event and his words were recorded for 'posterity'.
This is an old report [2002], but a 'goody'.
April
26, 2002
Saudi Telethon Host Calls for Enslaving Jewish Women
From the Saudi Information Service.
(WASHINGTON DC) April 26, 2002 …The Saudi Information Agency has obtained a tape by prominent government official cleric Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik calling for enslaving Jewish women. The tape is called "a Monkey Desecrates Mosque," and was delivered in a Riyadh government mosque. The monkey refers to Jews.
Al-Buraik, a Wahhabi cleric, is closely tied to Prince AbdulAziz Ben Fahd, the king's youngest son, and [Al-Buraik was a] member of the Saudi delegation accompanying Crown Prince Abdullah on his current visit [a 'visit' to the USA, and was in a meeting with Pres. Bush!].
Al-Buraik was the host of the two-day long telethon raising funds for Palestinians, which raised $109 million. He is also the host of "Religion and Life," a program on government television Channel One and on MBC television owned by Prince AbdulAziz Ben Fahd. Al-Buraik said on the tape that the money raised would go to Palestinian fighters.
The following are excerpts of the tape:
On the situation in the Palestinian areas he said:
Oh Believer, it's a wish, as much as it is pains, but we have hopes that the situation in Palestine will explode. No one dies before their day. How many Muslims have died in Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, and Kosovo!!
Is it too dear to us that among our honorable beloved die as martyrs? Their death dates were written before their birth. That they die as martyrs. "Say even if were at your home, those who will die will walk to their death."
Which is a better choice, to de on your bed, or to die perseverant, fighting, not retreating. Which is better to suffer long before death many days, or taste death quickly?
Which is better to suffer a slow death, or die as a martyr in your way to heaven. A death that you will be forgiven on the first drop of your blood.
When life became perishes we started to drink humiliation many times over.
Oh Palestinian Authority, don't you see that you are tested once or twice a year? Then you don't learned or repent.
Isn't time yet to wage jihad, and call for holy war. Isn't time that Muslim countries which normalized relations with the Jews to cancel everything that happened from Madrid to Oslo, and Why River, which forbids the supplying of weapons to Muslims in Palestine?
The agreements which canceled jihad, and disassociation from non-Muslims, should all be demolished.
It's a call to close all embassies opened for the Jews in the land of Islam; it is call to end normalization with Israel.
What international resolution that the Jew respected, prepared by Christians.
On Jews and Christians he said:
People should know that Jews are backed by the Christians, and the battle that we are going through is not with Jews only, but also with those who believe that Allah is a third in a Trinity, and those who said that Jesus is the son of Allah, and Allah is Jesus, the son of Mary.
About America he said:
I am against America until this life ends, until the Day of Judgment;
I am against America even if the stone liquefies
My hatred of America, if part of it was contained in the universe, it would collapse.
She is the root of all evils, and wickedness on earth.
Who else implanted the tyrants in our land, who else nurtured oppression?
Oh Muslim Ummah don't take the Jews and Christians as allies.
Jewish women as slaves he says:
Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?
Saudi Telethon Host Calls for Enslaving Jewish Women
From the Saudi Information Service.
(WASHINGTON DC) April 26, 2002 …The Saudi Information Agency has obtained a tape by prominent government official cleric Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik calling for enslaving Jewish women. The tape is called "a Monkey Desecrates Mosque," and was delivered in a Riyadh government mosque. The monkey refers to Jews.
Al-Buraik, a Wahhabi cleric, is closely tied to Prince AbdulAziz Ben Fahd, the king's youngest son, and [Al-Buraik was a] member of the Saudi delegation accompanying Crown Prince Abdullah on his current visit [a 'visit' to the USA, and was in a meeting with Pres. Bush!].
Al-Buraik was the host of the two-day long telethon raising funds for Palestinians, which raised $109 million. He is also the host of "Religion and Life," a program on government television Channel One and on MBC television owned by Prince AbdulAziz Ben Fahd. Al-Buraik said on the tape that the money raised would go to Palestinian fighters.
The following are excerpts of the tape:
On the situation in the Palestinian areas he said:
Oh Believer, it's a wish, as much as it is pains, but we have hopes that the situation in Palestine will explode. No one dies before their day. How many Muslims have died in Chechnya, Bosnia, Kashmir, and Kosovo!!
Is it too dear to us that among our honorable beloved die as martyrs? Their death dates were written before their birth. That they die as martyrs. "Say even if were at your home, those who will die will walk to their death."
Which is a better choice, to de on your bed, or to die perseverant, fighting, not retreating. Which is better to suffer long before death many days, or taste death quickly?
Which is better to suffer a slow death, or die as a martyr in your way to heaven. A death that you will be forgiven on the first drop of your blood.
When life became perishes we started to drink humiliation many times over.
Oh Palestinian Authority, don't you see that you are tested once or twice a year? Then you don't learned or repent.
Isn't time yet to wage jihad, and call for holy war. Isn't time that Muslim countries which normalized relations with the Jews to cancel everything that happened from Madrid to Oslo, and Why River, which forbids the supplying of weapons to Muslims in Palestine?
The agreements which canceled jihad, and disassociation from non-Muslims, should all be demolished.
It's a call to close all embassies opened for the Jews in the land of Islam; it is call to end normalization with Israel.
What international resolution that the Jew respected, prepared by Christians.
On Jews and Christians he said:
People should know that Jews are backed by the Christians, and the battle that we are going through is not with Jews only, but also with those who believe that Allah is a third in a Trinity, and those who said that Jesus is the son of Allah, and Allah is Jesus, the son of Mary.
About America he said:
I am against America until this life ends, until the Day of Judgment;
I am against America even if the stone liquefies
My hatred of America, if part of it was contained in the universe, it would collapse.
She is the root of all evils, and wickedness on earth.
Who else implanted the tyrants in our land, who else nurtured oppression?
Oh Muslim Ummah don't take the Jews and Christians as allies.
Jewish women as slaves he says:
Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?
To
listen to the entire tape open the
below link:
http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document042602.aspThe above monkey.RM audio link now appears dead [and i am assuming the original audio was in Arabic].
You may still be able to find the monkey.RM audio file 'archived' somewhere.
Bear in mind, the original source document was published in 2002, and the monkey.RM audio link was located on an ISLAMIC site.
I can't imagine that 'moderate' muslims would want to continue to make this audio available to the wider WWW community.
other Google sources for the original
document...
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22Their+women+are+yours+to+take%2C+legitimately%22&btnG=Search&meta=
and...
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock091702.asp
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22Their+women+are+yours+to+take%2C+legitimately%22&btnG=Search&meta=
and...
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock091702.asp
Key points taken from this online document - describing the content of the recorded telethon 'sermon', of Saudi cleric Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik.
Jews are described as 'monkeys'.
The two-day long telethon raised US$109 million. Al-Buraik said on the tape that the money raised would go to Palestinian fighters. [...a Religion of Peace?]
He exhorts Palestinians to die as martyrs for ISLAM. [read, Kill as many 'enemies of ISLAM' as you can, before you are 'taken out'.]
All current treaties and agreements with Israel should be abandoned, in favour of Jihad. [And on Jihad, here i don't think he means a personal, internal struggle.]
The two-day long telethon raised US$109 million. Al-Buraik said on the tape that the money raised would go to Palestinian fighters. [...a Religion of Peace?]
He exhorts Palestinians to die as martyrs for ISLAM. [read, Kill as many 'enemies of ISLAM' as you can, before you are 'taken out'.]
All current treaties and agreements with Israel should be abandoned, in favour of Jihad. [And on Jihad, here i don't think he means a personal, internal struggle.]
".....cancel everything that happened from Madrid to Oslo," [ISLAM teaches that
covenants count for
nothing - the current 'expediency' is EVERYTHING.]
The current ISLAMIST 'battle that we are
going through is not with Jews only', but is also against
Christians. [Though the Jihad
is not fully engaged on that front - yet.]"...Jews
are backed by the Christians, and the battle that we are going through
is not with Jews only,"
[so, when it is expedient, guess who is next, on the 'KILL list' ! ]
Al-Buraik expresses a
profound hatred of
America.[so, when it is expedient, guess who is next, on the 'KILL list' ! ]
"She is the root of all evils, and
wickedness on earth."
His exhortation to the
worldwide muslim community ['Ummah'] is...
"Oh Muslim Ummah don't take the Jews and
Christians as allies."
He exhorts
Palestinian
Jihadists to engage in a frenzy of
rape, pillage and murder, in
their destruction of the state of Israel
[perhaps i got the order of action wrong]..."Muslim Brothers in
Palestine, do not have any
mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their
blood, their money, their flesh.
Their women are yours to take, legitimately.
God made them yours. [Muslim clerics tell muslims, that the Koran states that Allah has given them, the world as a possession. Just take it. Jihad !!! ]
Why don't you enslave their women?
Why don't you wage jihad?
Why don't you pillage them?"
Their women are yours to take, legitimately.
God made them yours. [Muslim clerics tell muslims, that the Koran states that Allah has given them, the world as a possession. Just take it. Jihad !!! ]
Why don't you enslave their women?
Why don't you wage jihad?
Why don't you pillage them?"
Once Israel and Europe are out of the way [neutralised by Jihad], i wonder if Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik would shy away from giving the same exhortation to rape, pillage and murder, against the inhabitants of 'evil America', in a new and frenzied Jihad???
I won't take your money on that bet!
Is Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik just a 'firebrand', someone that nobody should take notice of?
Well remember that, at that time Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik was an official Saudi muslim cleric, and that he was close to the Saudi royal family.
And Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik was actually part of a Saudi delegation that visited the USA [in 2002?].
There is a Koranic basis for these exhortations by Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik...
Allah, through the Chief PIRATE, says that everything that the un-believers have, their possessions, their women, belongs to muslims!
This is a general encouragement to muslims to strive for 'the booty', and the spoils of war!
An encouragement to engage in Jihad!
Koran 33:27
And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property,
and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property,
and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
Do not make friends with the enemies
of Allah, those Christians and such!...
Koran
5:51
O ye who believe! take not
the Jews and the Christians for your friends
and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each
other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of
them.
Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
Koran
60:1
O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends:
would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord?
If you go forth struggling hard [Jihad - fighting, killing the non-believer] in My path and seeking My pleasure [Jihad - fighting, killing the non-believer], would you manifest love to them?
And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.
O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends:
would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord?
If you go forth struggling hard [Jihad - fighting, killing the non-believer] in My path and seeking My pleasure [Jihad - fighting, killing the non-believer], would you manifest love to them?
And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.
Koran 48:29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
And those with him are hard against the disbelievers [kill the non-believers, those who reject ISLAM] and merciful among themselves....
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
And those with him are hard against the disbelievers [kill the non-believers, those who reject ISLAM] and merciful among themselves....
Koran
47:33
Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger [obey muslim clerics!!] !
Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah [Jihad - fighting, killing the non-believer] , He will not pardon.
Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand.
Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger [obey muslim clerics!!] !
Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah [Jihad - fighting, killing the non-believer] , He will not pardon.
Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand.
Koran 66:9
O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites [kill the non-believers, those who reject ISLAM] , and be firm against them.
Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed). [implication is, you only get to hell, by first being 'deaded', by the 'holy' murderers!]
Who gives muslims the moral authority to break covenants?
Well, it is a religious 'thing' for devout muslims.
Muslims breaking covenants, is 'sanctified', and it was an action endorsed by the Chief PIRATE himself.
He was a real 'holy' pragmatist, this guy!
Bukhari:V7B67N427
The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.".
Ishaq:365, Tabari VII:94
Muhammad bin Maslamah said, "O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies." , "Say what you like," Muhammad replied. "You are absolved, free to say whatever you must."
The Prophet said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.".
Ishaq:365, Tabari VII:94
Muhammad bin Maslamah said, "O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies." , "Say what you like," Muhammad replied. "You are absolved, free to say whatever you must."
O B Laden broadly agrees with Saudi cleric Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik, on the 'path' ahead...
Bin Laden's "State of Jihad" Address
By Dr. Walid Phares
October 20, 2003
In this tape again, Osama states, clearer than ever, that the goal of his terror is to "establish an Islamic Government [worldwide] ruled by the Sharia."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10411
By Dr. Walid Phares
October 20, 2003
In this tape again, Osama states, clearer than ever, that the goal of his terror is to "establish an Islamic Government [worldwide] ruled by the Sharia."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10411
[link]
A little more, on the justification of fighting a 'just' Jihad.
(i.e.
Jihad is to spread the
'just' laws of Islam).
An article below explores the mental gymnastics involved in 'sanctifying' the murder of un-ISLAMIC persons.
May 17, 2007
Johns Hopkins prof:
Jihadists' "definition of jihad is quite different from that generally accepted by Muslims today"
Johns Hopkins prof:
Jihadists' "definition of jihad is quite different from that generally accepted by Muslims today"
In
an interview at FrontPage today, Mary Habeck, a
professor at Johns Hopkins and author of a book about the jihadists
entitled Knowing the Enemy, makes a number of observations about the
jihad ideology, and why more
Muslims don't stand up to the jihadists, that are worth looking
at more closely.
insert....Thus, Muslims are allowed to fight these unbelievers in a just jihad. Their definition of jihad is quite different from that generally accepted by Muslims today. Most Muslims say that jihad is first and foremost an internal struggle to control one's desires or, if it is about fighting, jihad is a defensive just war.
.....Jihad understood as warfare against unbelievers in order to establish the hegemony of Islamic law has much greater support in Islamic scripture, tradition, and historical practice...
insert....These extremists make jihad into the central tenet of their religion, arguing that it is primarily about fighting both defensively and offensively (to spread the just laws of Islam). They also say that any Muslim who does not participate in their jihad is not a "true believer," and is at most a sinner and at worst an unbeliever and can therefore be killed with impunity.
....and Muhammad's statements, notably the one in which he directs his followers to offer non-Muslims conversion, subjugation, or war. Then there are the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which all teach the necessity for offensive jihad in order to subjugate unbelievers under the rule of Sharia.
All this answers the follow-up question below far more convincingly than Habeck answers it: the moderate Muslims don't speak out more forcefully against the jihadists because if they do, the jihadists can easily portray them as unfaithful Muslims, and quote Qur'an and Sunnah to establish their [violent Jihad] position. And that can make the lives of the moderates difficult in many ways.
.....I had also asked if Dr. Habeck could name any orthodox sects or schools of Islamic jurisprudence that rejected the necessity of jihad warfare in order to institute Sharia. Gartenstein-Ross answered: "I also put to her your question about traditional Islamic sects that 'reject the proposition that the umma must wage war in order to establish Sharia.' She agreed without hesitation that such sects have not existed within mainstream Islam historically."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016497.php
Note, from the article above, it is acknowledged that,
"...any
Muslim who does not participate in their jihad is not a "true
believer," and is at most a sinner and at worst an unbeliever and can
therefore be killed with impunity [an impunity
among themselves, at least!]."
And un-ISLAMIC 'muslims' are
being murdered today by Jihadists.Here is one, high profile example.
Also note, from the article above,
"....the
moderate Muslims don't speak out more forcefully against the jihadists
because if they do, the
jihadists can easily portray
them as unfaithful Muslims, and quote
Qur'an and Sunnah to establish their [violent Jihad] position."
[link]
Exploring further the theme of, ISLAMIC bigotry.
....or paraphrasing,
'Kill those filthy
apostate, SATAN worshipping, burn in Allah's hell, wrong kind of muslims
!!!'...October
19, 2007
Spencer: Islamic Bigotry: The Persecution of Fellow Believers
......The Qur’an forbids a Muslim to kill a fellow believer intentionally (4:92), but both sides justify these conflicts by appealing to the Islamic practice of takfir: the declaration that, because of some doctrinal deviation, some group of Muslims are not actually Muslims at all, and their blood can lawfully be shed. One of the chief characteristics of modern day Salafist movements – that is, movements to restore the purity of Islam – is their frequent use of takfir and subsequent targeting of those whom everyone in the world except they themselves would regard as their fellow Muslims.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018503.php
"....takfir or takfeer is the practice of declaring unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), an individual or a group previously considered Muslim."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
More examples of [ISLAMIC inspired] violence against '...the wrong kind of muslims!!' .....Iraq1, Iraq2, and even in peaceful Australia1, Australia2.
Islamo-Fascist Bigotry: The Persecution of Fellow Believers
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/99/islamo-fascist-bigotry-the-persecution-of-fellow-believers/
Spencer: Islamic Bigotry: The Persecution of Fellow Believers
......The Qur’an forbids a Muslim to kill a fellow believer intentionally (4:92), but both sides justify these conflicts by appealing to the Islamic practice of takfir: the declaration that, because of some doctrinal deviation, some group of Muslims are not actually Muslims at all, and their blood can lawfully be shed. One of the chief characteristics of modern day Salafist movements – that is, movements to restore the purity of Islam – is their frequent use of takfir and subsequent targeting of those whom everyone in the world except they themselves would regard as their fellow Muslims.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018503.php
"....takfir or takfeer is the practice of declaring unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), an individual or a group previously considered Muslim."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
More examples of [ISLAMIC inspired] violence against '...the wrong kind of muslims!!' .....Iraq1, Iraq2, and even in peaceful Australia1, Australia2.
Islamo-Fascist Bigotry: The Persecution of Fellow Believers
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/99/islamo-fascist-bigotry-the-persecution-of-fellow-believers/
Muslims are killing muslims.
And in Iraq, a new low in barabrity, from those representing ISLAM....
This young woman made a choice, to do this.
Palestinian children are being coached in school, to love Jihad & death.
THIS IMAGE - shows the remains of a young Palestinian suicide bomber.
Don't like this image being shown? READ THIS
7 September 2007
Two 'non-muslim' women beheaded - Pakistan
It was a case of being declared 'takfir', not muslim - enough.
The two women were executed by ISLAMIC 'warriors', because they were 'sluts'.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=BANNU+women+beheaded+pakistan&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Jahiliyyah...
"...a state of ignorance of divine guidance."
'The Muslim masses are unaware that they are
not true Muslims without overthrow of the secular state
and complete and strict sharia law.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_Western_Societies
If something has been happening [rogue editing] at this wiki page,
then see this Jahiliyyah 'patch page'.
"...a state of ignorance of divine guidance."
'The Muslim masses are unaware that they are
not true Muslims without overthrow of the secular state
and complete and strict sharia law.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_Western_Societies
If something has been happening [rogue editing] at this wiki page,
then see this Jahiliyyah 'patch page'.
Today's 21st century Jihad, does come from, is inspired by, the Koran!
Jihad [fighting, killing, non-believers] for the Cause of Allah, is a tenet of ISLAMIC faith.
another example of Jihadist rage, at muslims practicing the 'wrong' ISLAM...
June
8, 2007
Three misunderstanders of Islam arrested in southern Serbia
".....they allegedly assaulted moderate Muslims in the area, disrupted their prayers and accused them of failing to practice 'true' Islam."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016815.php
Three misunderstanders of Islam arrested in southern Serbia
".....they allegedly assaulted moderate Muslims in the area, disrupted their prayers and accused them of failing to practice 'true' Islam."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016815.php
11 June 2007
Woman in UK 'groomed' as bomber
The former wife of a British Islamist extremist has said her husband suggested she carry out a suicide bombing against the UK.
......The woman said her husband was a threat to the UK and completely "brainwashed".
The BBC is not identifying the South Asian woman for security reasons. However, her husband is known to have fallen in with UK extremists sympathetic to the aims of Osama bin Laden.
In the interview, the woman told Newsnight's Richard Watson how her husband and fellow extremists would talk about what they believed to be their duty to follow a course of "jihad" - in this context referring to attacks against the perceived enemies of Muslims.
......Asked what kind of threat her former husband posed, she said: "He doesn't care if British people die. He was so brainwashed by the radicals, he could do anything."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6740743.stm
from the previous BBC news report...
Woman in UK 'groomed' as bomber
The former wife of a British Islamist extremist has said her husband suggested she carry out a suicide bombing against the UK.
......The woman said her husband was a threat to the UK and completely "brainwashed".
The BBC is not identifying the South Asian woman for security reasons. However, her husband is known to have fallen in with UK extremists sympathetic to the aims of Osama bin Laden.
In the interview, the woman told Newsnight's Richard Watson how her husband and fellow extremists would talk about what they believed to be their duty to follow a course of "jihad" - in this context referring to attacks against the perceived enemies of Muslims.
......Asked what kind of threat her former husband posed, she said: "He doesn't care if British people die. He was so brainwashed by the radicals, he could do anything."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6740743.stm
from the previous BBC news report...
"....the
perceived
enemies of Muslims."
see also...The Biblical Abraham - and ISLAM
All muslims make the claim that Biblical Abraham is their spiritual antecedent.
The Koran makes it clear that, '...this Prophet and those who believe (with him);' [muslims], are the rightful claimants, to that status.
Koran 3:68
Lo! those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who believe (with him);
Lo! those of mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who believe (with him);
And many ethinic Arab muslims, living in the Middle East claim that,
'....Abraham
is our father.'
"Abraham, known as Ibrahim in Arabic, is very important in Islam, both in his own right as a prophet as well as being the father of Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael, his firstborn son, is considered the Father of the Arabised Arabs,"
"Abraham, known as Ibrahim in Arabic, is very important in Islam, both in his own right as a prophet as well as being the father of Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael, his firstborn son, is considered the Father of the Arabised Arabs,"
[link]
"....Abraham is our father.
Jesus saith unto them,.....this did not Abraham."
John 8:39, 40
Jesus saith unto them,.....this did not Abraham."
John 8:39, 40
As one of the sign's in
this image say's,
'Jehad is a means to end Tyranny & Injustice!'
'Jehad is a means to end Tyranny & Injustice!'
Muslims, ending Tyranny &
Injustice,
in the only way they know how.
Clearly there are no 'righteous', no 'innocents', in these two towers.
Because '...surely Allah knows all things'. [Koran 9:115]
in the only way they know how.
Clearly there are no 'righteous', no 'innocents', in these two towers.
Because '...surely Allah knows all things'. [Koran 9:115]
....here they are, the 'WARRIORS'
OF ISLAM.
Read this Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah, of Abraham, and of the LORD God of Abraham.
It accounts the prelude, of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
And it is interesting, noting the concern expressed by Abraham, for the innocents among the guilty, about to die, at the hand of God.
Genesis
18:16
¶And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
23 ¶And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
¶And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17 And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
23 ¶And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
John
8:38
¶I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
¶I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[link]
Reprise....
An official Saudi ISLAMIC cleric, Shaikh Saad Al-Buraik, encourages muslims....
......No one dies
before their day. How many Muslims have died in Chechnya, Bosnia,
Kashmir, and Kosovo!!
Is it too dear to us that among our honorable beloved die as martyrs? Their death dates were written before their birth. That they die as martyrs. "Say even if were at your home, those who will die will walk to their death."
Which is a better choice, to de on your bed, or to die perseverant, fighting, not retreating. Which is better to suffer long before death many days, or taste death quickly?
Which is better to suffer a slow death, or die as a martyr in your way to heaven. A death that you will be forgiven on the first drop of your blood.
......Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh.
Their women are yours to take, legitimately.
God made them yours. [Muslim clerics tell muslims, that the Koran states that Allah has given to muslims, the world as a possession. Just take it. Jihad !!! ]
Why don't you enslave their women?
Why don't you wage jihad?
Why don't you pillage them?
Is it too dear to us that among our honorable beloved die as martyrs? Their death dates were written before their birth. That they die as martyrs. "Say even if were at your home, those who will die will walk to their death."
Which is a better choice, to de on your bed, or to die perseverant, fighting, not retreating. Which is better to suffer long before death many days, or taste death quickly?
Which is better to suffer a slow death, or die as a martyr in your way to heaven. A death that you will be forgiven on the first drop of your blood.
......Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh.
Their women are yours to take, legitimately.
God made them yours. [Muslim clerics tell muslims, that the Koran states that Allah has given to muslims, the world as a possession. Just take it. Jihad !!! ]
Why don't you enslave their women?
Why don't you wage jihad?
Why don't you pillage them?
Does God have to pay 'wages', pay a 'reward', so a mere man may be induced to murder, another man, to murder [in effect, his own blood], .....for God???
Mark
3:24
Then, after your done with murder, it is desirable to rape and pillage.
Who believes this???
Who, is making this inducement?
"God made them yours." ?
And what is the name of this 'god'?Who, is being worshipped here?
Matthew 4:8-9
Luke 4:6-7
Luke 4:6-7
The LORD God of Israel said....
Numbers
24:9
[Israel] .....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.
[Israel] .....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.
Deuteronomy
27:25
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Who do you believe?
The regime here [this life], is 'free-will' folks.
By our own will, we [mankind] have decided to take "...of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil".
This was not God's choice, for us, but it was our own willful choice.
So now, choose.
Because that, is the point of this 'game', this life.
There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down.....
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down.....
For
What It's Worth
Buffalo Springfield
http://www.music-lyrics-chord.com/Buffalo_Springfield/22666-For_What_It%27s_Worth.htmlBuffalo Springfield
What's 'going down' ?
And on what side of the 'lines being drawn', are you standing?
You choose.
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ISRAEL
...The Chosen of God!
"......no matter what the majority of mankind or even the Christian church may believe, say or do, the fact is - Israel is the one and only nation chosen of God! Not chosen because she is intrinsically better than other nations, but because of Yahweh's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/snotes/note0812.html
and...
Oct 2, 2006
Allah is DEFINITELY NOT the same god as the God of Israel, who is also the Christian God, the Father
"...What is really uniquely Islamic is the idea of a "Holy War" to subjugate the world to the will of Allah. There are no parallels in Judaism.
The God of Israel calls upon Jews to be "a light unto the nations." This is not a call to torch all other nations, but to teach them."
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/58626
"......no matter what the majority of mankind or even the Christian church may believe, say or do, the fact is - Israel is the one and only nation chosen of God! Not chosen because she is intrinsically better than other nations, but because of Yahweh's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/snotes/note0812.html
and...
Oct 2, 2006
Allah is DEFINITELY NOT the same god as the God of Israel, who is also the Christian God, the Father
"...What is really uniquely Islamic is the idea of a "Holy War" to subjugate the world to the will of Allah. There are no parallels in Judaism.
The God of Israel calls upon Jews to be "a light unto the nations." This is not a call to torch all other nations, but to teach them."
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/58626
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FLYING PIGS ALERT!!!!
Muslim scholars [in a letter to the Pope, and other Christian leaders] insist, "...that Christians and Muslims worship the same god.", and the letter speaks of the 'common' "...love and devotion to God, and the love of the neighbour."
11
October 2007
Muslim scholars reach out to Pope
More than 130 Muslim scholars have written to Pope Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders urging greater understanding between the two faiths.
....It identifies the principles of accepting only one god and living in peace with one's neighbours as common ground between the two religions.
It also insists that Christians and Muslims worship the same god.
.....The letter, entitled A Common Word Between Us and You, compares passages in the Koran and the Bible, concluding that both emphasise "the primacy of total love and devotion to God", and the love of the neighbour.
...."As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes," the letter says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7038992.stm
Muslim scholars reach out to Pope
More than 130 Muslim scholars have written to Pope Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders urging greater understanding between the two faiths.
....It identifies the principles of accepting only one god and living in peace with one's neighbours as common ground between the two religions.
It also insists that Christians and Muslims worship the same god.
.....The letter, entitled A Common Word Between Us and You, compares passages in the Koran and the Bible, concluding that both emphasise "the primacy of total love and devotion to God", and the love of the neighbour.
...."As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes," the letter says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7038992.stm
My own take on this story...
Muslim scholars crawl on their bellies
before the Pope of Rome, and hiss.
Speaking to the content of the above BBC article...
There
is no neighbourly love on the part of muslims, being conveyed in this
letter.
Every devout muslim knows that the Koran is belligerent to Christianity, and to Christians, and NOT conciliatory.
I would venture, that very few nominal Christians would be aware of the profuse anti-Christian content of the Koran.
But, every devout muslim knows this very well!
This supposed 'conciliatory' letter is deceit.
It is deceit on the part of every single one of the muslim signatories!
The authors of this letter are muslim scholars , and they KNOW that they are proffering deceit, to the Christian communities addressed!
Pure and simple muslim deceit!
When muslims speak of the 'common' "...love and devotion to God, and the love of the neighbour.", I CERTAINLY HOPE that all Christian peoples realise,
.......that devout muslims [on their part] are referring to their love, of other muslim neighbours - and NOT the love of their Christian neighbours.
Because it is very clear that Christians are certainly theologically, despised by all devout muslims!
Do you find this assertion, and characterisation of muslim attitudes to Christians [and all non-muslims] difficult to believe, or offensive???
Sleepers awake!
To their faces, muslims are often polite to non-muslims, but speaking among themselves, example1, example2, example3, muslims refer in a derogatory way to the [spiritually] 'filthy' non-muslims, in non-muslim nations.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=islam+concept+kuffar+infidelity+disbelief+filth+dirt&btnG=Search&meta=
Giving another example, ....I would suggest that non-muslims familiarise [educate] themselves with the ISLAMIC concept of Dar-al Harb and Dar al Islam !
This being, that muslims refer to muslims, as living in a condition of peace [among themselves], and muslims as being [this being a doctrinal muslim pronouncement] in a state of perpetual war [Dar-al Harb] with all non-muslim jurisdictions.
I am speaking truthfully, when i say all devout muslims believe that there is no sin, and in fact, it is praiseworthy for a muslim [any muslim] to kill any non-muslim who rejects ISLAM's authority in the world.
But the bottom line!.... is that devout muslims regard [the very existance of] all non-muslims as an insult to Allah! Example1, Example2, Example3, Further info 4
AND, you may well ask, why are the 130 muslim scholars [writing to Christians, and] not writing to these muslims [Examples 1, 2, 3], telling them of muslim obligations to love their non-muslim neighbours?
Because there is no such obligation, .....for muslims to love non-muslims!
And here, is a 'plain language' summation of muslim 'religious' doctrine, today, towards non-muslims!...
Every devout muslim knows that the Koran is belligerent to Christianity, and to Christians, and NOT conciliatory.
I would venture, that very few nominal Christians would be aware of the profuse anti-Christian content of the Koran.
But, every devout muslim knows this very well!
This supposed 'conciliatory' letter is deceit.
It is deceit on the part of every single one of the muslim signatories!
The authors of this letter are muslim scholars , and they KNOW that they are proffering deceit, to the Christian communities addressed!
Pure and simple muslim deceit!
When muslims speak of the 'common' "...love and devotion to God, and the love of the neighbour.", I CERTAINLY HOPE that all Christian peoples realise,
.......that devout muslims [on their part] are referring to their love, of other muslim neighbours - and NOT the love of their Christian neighbours.
Because it is very clear that Christians are certainly theologically, despised by all devout muslims!
Do you find this assertion, and characterisation of muslim attitudes to Christians [and all non-muslims] difficult to believe, or offensive???
Sleepers awake!
To their faces, muslims are often polite to non-muslims, but speaking among themselves, example1, example2, example3, muslims refer in a derogatory way to the [spiritually] 'filthy' non-muslims, in non-muslim nations.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=islam+concept+kuffar+infidelity+disbelief+filth+dirt&btnG=Search&meta=
Giving another example, ....I would suggest that non-muslims familiarise [educate] themselves with the ISLAMIC concept of Dar-al Harb and Dar al Islam !
This being, that muslims refer to muslims, as living in a condition of peace [among themselves], and muslims as being [this being a doctrinal muslim pronouncement] in a state of perpetual war [Dar-al Harb] with all non-muslim jurisdictions.
e.g.....In 2003,
a respected Egyptian muslim cleric
[i.e. 'he knows, of what he speaks'] , and being the
Grand Mufti of Egypt said,
"...it is permitted
to kill him [a non-muslim],
because he is a Harbi and the Harbi spreads corruption
throughout the face of the earth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam#Dar_al-Harb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam#Dar_al-Harb
I am speaking truthfully, when i say all devout muslims believe that there is no sin, and in fact, it is praiseworthy for a muslim [any muslim] to kill any non-muslim who rejects ISLAM's authority in the world.
But the bottom line!.... is that devout muslims regard [the very existance of] all non-muslims as an insult to Allah! Example1, Example2, Example3, Further info 4
AND, you may well ask, why are the 130 muslim scholars [writing to Christians, and] not writing to these muslims [Examples 1, 2, 3], telling them of muslim obligations to love their non-muslim neighbours?
Because there is no such obligation, .....for muslims to love non-muslims!
And here, is a 'plain language' summation of muslim 'religious' doctrine, today, towards non-muslims!...
i.e. If non-muslims allow
the spread of ISLAM into their lands,
then muslims are instructed 'do not make war'.
But if these non-muslims resist the spread of ISLAM into their lands,
then,
"...it is permitted to kill him,".
Wake up
people!!!then muslims are instructed 'do not make war'.
But if these non-muslims resist the spread of ISLAM into their lands,
then,
"...it is permitted to kill him,".
Muslims are such lying snakes!
Make no mistake, devout muslims wish to undermine and destroy Christian nations, from within.
ISLAM is a cancer, that feeds on, and will destroy, all things decent and true.
Here, some interesting reader responses to this BBC 'letter' story at,
BBC - Have Your Say [not, MOST RECENT select, READERS RECOMMENDED !! ]
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=3666&edition=2&ttl=20071012070314
and the same [muslim scholars letter] story, a different source,
October 11, 2007
Comment: Muslim plea well-meaning but flawed
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2638044.ece
October 11, 2007
Pope told 'survival of world' at stake if Muslims and Christians do not make peace
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2636117.ece
Comment at JihadWatch, on this muslim letter to Christians counselling peace with ISLAM, ...'or else'...
"......what
the letter accuses
Christians of doing, "wage war against Muslims on account of their
religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes" is exactly what
is happening to Christian and non-muslims all over the world."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018436.php#c460904
and quoting a cleric revered by many, many muslims...
"...Ayatollah Khomeini: "Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless.
....The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!...."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018436.php#c461211
“the future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians...”
But only if the Christians cease to be Christians and only if we accept the definition of peace as being subjected to total mind, body and spiritual control. Thanks, but no thanks.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018531.php#c464367
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018436.php#c460904
and quoting a cleric revered by many, many muslims...
"...Ayatollah Khomeini: "Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless.
....The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!...."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018436.php#c461211
“the future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians...”
But only if the Christians cease to be Christians and only if we accept the definition of peace as being subjected to total mind, body and spiritual control. Thanks, but no thanks.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018531.php#c464367
Is this 'Muslim scholars letter', just another case of muslims, 'making it up as they go' ?
As per usual?
This 'quote' from ISLAMIC scholars, in letter to Pope seems very much contrived, and an invention....
"LOVE OF THE NEIGHBOUR
IN ISLAM"
"The Prophet Muhammad said: “None of you has faith until you love for your brother what you love xviii And: “None of you has faith until you love for your neighbour what you
for yourself.” xix love for yourself.” "
"The Prophet Muhammad said: “None of you has faith until you love for your brother what you love xviii And: “None of you has faith until you love for your neighbour what you
for yourself.” xix love for yourself.” "
I don't know if these quotes come from some marginalised, or are in a little used, muslim source?
But if you Google any of these words, or parts of these phrases, they do exist, but as far as i can tell, only in multiple 'hits' on the actual topic Muslim scholars letter to Christians / Pope.
[And there were
5 hits! A popular ISLAMIC topic, 'muslims
loving their neighbours'.]
2007-Oct-14 search string... "None of you has faith until you love for
your neighbour"
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22None+of+you+has+faith+until+you+love+for+your+neighbour%22+&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22None+of+you+has+faith+until+you+love+for+your+neighbour%22+islam&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22None+of+you+has+faith+until+you+love+for+your+neighbour%22+&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22None+of+you+has+faith+until+you+love+for+your+neighbour%22+islam&btnG=Search&meta=
But in any case, references to any acceptance of, and 'conciliatory noises' by Allah, toward non-muslim neighbours, are none existent in the two major muslim texts, the Koran and Hadith.
I will be happy to be corrected.
Yet more muslim scholars writing '...or else' letters, to neighbours in Nigeria.
Muslim threaten to attack 'neighbours' church in Nigeria
Can you feel the muslim love for their
neighbours?
and, in the UK....
What do UK muslims think of their non-muslim co-citizens?
Christians in UK, are 'worse than the muck on their [muslim neighbours] shoes'...
and, in the UK....
What do UK muslims think of their non-muslim co-citizens?
Christians in UK, are 'worse than the muck on their [muslim neighbours] shoes'...
What you may want to ask is, why are these muslim scholars trying to foster tolerance among Christians [towards muslims], when these very same muslim scholars and ISLAM itself, foster the exact opposite within muslim communities [towards Christians and other non-muslims]?
[e.g. "Unbelievers [Christians]
are unto you open enemies.", and "......take not the Jews and the
Christians for your friends, these Koran hate verses, and more
hate verses, here.]
Muslims = = lying snakes!
The lot of them!
Basically this letter is a 'polite' call for Christians to conform to muslim values [to reject / outlaw all critical views of ISLAM], and for an abandonment of free speech in Christian societies.
Are these muslim scholars really sincere?
Easy peasy!
I want to build a church in Saudi Arabia, and i want to build a Synagogue in Tehran.
And i want all oppression against Christians [and non-muslims] in muslims countries to stop. example1, there are MANY more examples.
And i want Christains to be treated equally [with muslims], before all Sharia courts, in muslim countries. [I want none of this, 'But muslims are superior!' guff!]
AFTER ALL, Christans already do the reverse, towards muslims, in Christian countries.
Many, many, Christian nations have already proven there bona fides towards muslims.
Not so, any muslim nation!
So, where is my building permit Abdullah?
Duh! Duh! Duh!
.....Abdullah and his friends, think that all Christians are sooooooooo dumb,
that Christians can
only utter 'Simpson-esk' guttural sounds,
when in conversation with muslims.
Honest!
:))))))
see also...
Being a non-Muslim
under Islamic rule
The theory and the reality ...
http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm
How Christians Are Treated In Muslim Lands
.....Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.
http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2007/07/how_christians_are_treated_in.html
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=how+are+christians+treated+in+muslim+countries&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=violence+against+christians+muslim+countries&btnG=Search&meta=
The theory and the reality ...
http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm
How Christians Are Treated In Muslim Lands
.....Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.
http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2007/07/how_christians_are_treated_in.html
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=how+are+christians+treated+in+muslim+countries&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=violence+against+christians+muslim+countries&btnG=Search&meta=
"Hiss! Hiss! Hiss!"
....Can you say that again please
Abdullah?
....I didn't quite catch what you
said.
This is how the very words
of Allah instruct
all
muslims, regarding Christians and Jews...
Muslims!
With 'neighbours' like muslims!!!...
......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.
Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:
“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar [non-muslim].”
Pakistani ISLAMIC scholar [and frequent visitor to UK] urges muslims to continue 'preaching' peace [to the ears of naive Kuffar],
.....until muslims are strong enough to engage in an overwhelming Jihad [in their host Kuffar countries]...
see also,
An image of Pope JP II kissing the Koran - The Koran calls all Christians [non-muslims] accursed of Allah.
see also, Taqiyya
[link]"...Allah
(Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
"......take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other."
Jews and Christians are ".....a people unjust."
"Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
"......take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other."
Jews and Christians are ".....a people unjust."
"Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
.....direct Koran links to
these quotes, and more, here
Muslims!
With 'neighbours' like muslims!!!...
......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.
Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:
“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar [non-muslim].”
Pakistani ISLAMIC scholar [and frequent visitor to UK] urges muslims to continue 'preaching' peace [to the ears of naive Kuffar],
.....until muslims are strong enough to engage in an overwhelming Jihad [in their host Kuffar countries]...
see also,
An image of Pope JP II kissing the Koran - The Koran calls all Christians [non-muslims] accursed of Allah.
see also, Taqiyya
Yet more muslim scholars writing letters to neighbours.
Muslim threaten to attack a 'neighbours' church in Nigeria.
Feel the muslim neighbourly love, in this story!...
October
12, 2007
Nigeria: Muslims threaten to attack church
...Most of Muslim converts to Christianity in the city, Mbaya said, have been threatened with death from family members and other Muslims.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018449.php
Nigeria: Muslims threaten to attack church
...Most of Muslim converts to Christianity in the city, Mbaya said, have been threatened with death from family members and other Muslims.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018449.php
This was a
church, but it is NOT Nigeria,
...a church in Kenya 2008, Jan
...a church in Kenya 2008, Jan
The Religion of Peace at work in Kenya? Last week, supporters of a
pro-Sharia candidate burned down a church with fifty people inside.
Duh!
Can you hear the outcry against this muslim violence from mainstream muslims in Europe?
I thought not!
The muslim message is the same as in the Nigeria story, 'You must make peace with [us] muslims.' ['Submit to our philosophy!'], or else.
And in this next story, more of the same, muslim violence against Christians in Nigeria.
So, where is the muslim neighbourly love???
October 22, 2007
Nigeria: Two Christians murdered after calls for violent jihad by Muslim leaders
...Why don't those 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the Pope and other Christian leaders write to these Muslims and explain to them how they're getting Islam all wrong?
....One man has been killed with a sword and another bludgeoned to death in this city in central northern Nigeria following Muslim leaders’ appeal to wage violent jihad against youthful Christians.
Muslim extremists on October 12 murdered Henry Emmanuel Ogbaje, a 24-year-old Christian, at an area known as Gamji Gate. The following day, church leaders said, a young Christian identified only as Basil was beaten to death with wooden clubs in the same area.
....Dogo said that Sheik Gumi justified his call for jihad by saying in the same way Muhammad captured the Arabian peninsula, and Usman dan Fodio influenced northern Nigeria. Sheik Gumi concluded that because the British took northern Nigeria from the Islamic reformer (1754-1817) by force, Muslims “should fight to take over Nigeria by going to war against Christians.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018533.php
Nigeria: Two Christians murdered after calls for violent jihad by Muslim leaders
...Why don't those 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the Pope and other Christian leaders write to these Muslims and explain to them how they're getting Islam all wrong?
....One man has been killed with a sword and another bludgeoned to death in this city in central northern Nigeria following Muslim leaders’ appeal to wage violent jihad against youthful Christians.
Muslim extremists on October 12 murdered Henry Emmanuel Ogbaje, a 24-year-old Christian, at an area known as Gamji Gate. The following day, church leaders said, a young Christian identified only as Basil was beaten to death with wooden clubs in the same area.
....Dogo said that Sheik Gumi justified his call for jihad by saying in the same way Muhammad captured the Arabian peninsula, and Usman dan Fodio influenced northern Nigeria. Sheik Gumi concluded that because the British took northern Nigeria from the Islamic reformer (1754-1817) by force, Muslims “should fight to take over Nigeria by going to war against Christians.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018533.php
see also,
Including authoritative
pronouncements,
by the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh,
explaining Jihad [holy
fighting, to force infidels to submit to ISLAM].
and...
Times
Online June 26, 2006
The roots of Islamism
"....Islamists are driven by a divine mission to ensure the whole earth, in due course, learns to submit to Islamist rule."
The roots of Islamism
"....Islamists are driven by a divine mission to ensure the whole earth, in due course, learns to submit to Islamist rule."
But again, claims that this exposure is just another bad case of misunderstanding ISLAM, by some belligerent misunderstanders of ISLAM.
What Ahmed Alzaree asserts about his old sermon revelation, and its revealers...
"Out
of context." "Anti-Muslim prejudice."
What Ahmed Alzaree does NOT assert ANYWHERE...
"We
repudiate now and forever any Islamic tradition or teaching that
teaches hatred of and/or violence against Jews..."
October
27, 2007
Sermon about killing Jews? Check.
Association with accused jihadist cleric? Check.
He must be out to ease Muslim-Jewish relations!
...."New Cleveland imam hopes to ease Muslim-Jewish relations,"
....."Ahmed Alzaree was looking forward to his new job as spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of Cleveland. The stocky, spirited 38-year-old, who five years ago left his job as a physician in Egypt to become an imam in Omaha, Neb., wanted to be a voice for "tolerance, harmony and understanding."
No sooner did Ohio's largest mosque announce Alzaree's hiring last month, than bloggers posted a portion of a 4-year-old end-times sermon in which the imam quoted the Prophet Muhammad saying one sign of the approach of the Day of Judgment is that "the Muslims will kill the Jews." "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018590.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018274.php
Sermon about killing Jews? Check.
Association with accused jihadist cleric? Check.
He must be out to ease Muslim-Jewish relations!
...."New Cleveland imam hopes to ease Muslim-Jewish relations,"
....."Ahmed Alzaree was looking forward to his new job as spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of Cleveland. The stocky, spirited 38-year-old, who five years ago left his job as a physician in Egypt to become an imam in Omaha, Neb., wanted to be a voice for "tolerance, harmony and understanding."
No sooner did Ohio's largest mosque announce Alzaree's hiring last month, than bloggers posted a portion of a 4-year-old end-times sermon in which the imam quoted the Prophet Muhammad saying one sign of the approach of the Day of Judgment is that "the Muslims will kill the Jews." "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018590.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018274.php
'Non-muslims don't understand us!!'
Just more snake oil, from snakes.
and,
October
28, 2007
"I want the Sharia law imposed in my country"
Those words are spoken by a Muslim woman, apparently a student of George Washington University, in this Incorrect U video (the top one) of GWU Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week festivities. It's at right about the five-minute mark.
Maybe she doesn't mean the United States. Hard to say. But she may.
"Imposed." Not "voted in," or even "instituted." "Imposed." The forcible subjugation as inferiors of women and religious minorities. "Imposed."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018595.php
Fair comment on the story above, at site...
The bottom lines is, these people wish to impose their values on other countries'.That's all you need to know. There should be no dialogue with these people. Their stated intention is to overthrow our democracy. Again, that should be enough, that should be the end of the conversation. They have no intention of being "part" of the host countries' they want to impose their rule on them. This should be the simplest point, easily understood. And yet the liberals still think you can change their way of thought, well you can't. They will not stop, but they will lie, cheat and steal until everyone does as they are told. What's the difference between this girl and a Nazi? Nothing.
Posted by: DaveMate at October 28, 2007 9:37 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018595.php#c466413
"I want the Sharia law imposed in my country"
Those words are spoken by a Muslim woman, apparently a student of George Washington University, in this Incorrect U video (the top one) of GWU Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week festivities. It's at right about the five-minute mark.
Maybe she doesn't mean the United States. Hard to say. But she may.
"Imposed." Not "voted in," or even "instituted." "Imposed." The forcible subjugation as inferiors of women and religious minorities. "Imposed."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018595.php
Fair comment on the story above, at site...
The bottom lines is, these people wish to impose their values on other countries'.That's all you need to know. There should be no dialogue with these people. Their stated intention is to overthrow our democracy. Again, that should be enough, that should be the end of the conversation. They have no intention of being "part" of the host countries' they want to impose their rule on them. This should be the simplest point, easily understood. And yet the liberals still think you can change their way of thought, well you can't. They will not stop, but they will lie, cheat and steal until everyone does as they are told. What's the difference between this girl and a Nazi? Nothing.
Posted by: DaveMate at October 28, 2007 9:37 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018595.php#c466413